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we

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more than now

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we can't touch lightning

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we can do something

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we can't touch lightning

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yes i believe in what you haven't seen

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for weeks at a time around so much it

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was i've seen video with a cell phone

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phenomenal at the start but don't over

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back the card i swear i got something

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but convincing myself happens more up

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great catch

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i thought it was an asteroid like a

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baseball player on steroids filmed on a

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camera with no tape to handle

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split in the middle and you see any cuts

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were little well you know who you are

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thanks for the love but if it's not

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taking me above

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it'll last as long as this song

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no exit from the bed or worse and i can

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see you now

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there's something wrong with how you

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lived and now the doc prince told you

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life but you can get it back with some

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tack it's up to you the lighter is my

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back i know it's different but i'll

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never retract

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i know it's different but i'll never

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retract i know it's different

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but i'll never retract

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we can't touch lightning

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we can do something

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more

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is there no sound

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ah man that sucks

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oh it's good now all right i gotcha

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well yeah like i said we're i'm doing

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something a little bit

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different because um mr pope

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uh needs to use

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zoom so i'm trying to zoom this into the

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stream

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so that's why i went early so i can kind

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of check this out with you guys first

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man what crap

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thanks for being patient with me guys um

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that's why i started early

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so i could figure this out

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check check check check check check

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check check check check check

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yeah i know just think tight with me i'm

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trying

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i know it's working now but i'm bouncing

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back between

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what's working and what i want to work

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that isn't working so it's just how it

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all right one more time can you hear

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check check check check can you

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hear this can you hear

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this can you hear this

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check yes awesome that means we're in

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business

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that would have sucked

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right well hopefully though

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um you know hopefully you can hear nick

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oh that would that would be crazy

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so um yeah what are you guys thinking

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about everything lately is there

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anything that you want to hear

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what are you thinking

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yeah it's one thing after another

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you know earlier just a little bit ago a

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so that would stink too

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sure um when mr pope gets on

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and we start talking and if you can't

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that'd be tragic but i've never done

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uh stream before with the zoom into this

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but you got to do what you got to do for

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the people you know lou elizondo will be

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you know what i'm used to and all that

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so that's good

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but no i understand what you mean uh

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all right you so you guys want the

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uh actually i hate it um but because

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so is what it is you know

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yeah that's what i was gonna say i don't

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like lou elizondo like i'm not gonna ask

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kind of stuff i'm trying to respect the

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where it must um

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and also if there are good questions yes

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for sure throw those in there um

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so you know if you want to know like

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about the typical stuff that they

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say you may want to go to

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um and i'm not you know i'm just trying

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to be honest with where your

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expectations should be at i guess as far

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try to do things a little bit you know

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yeah i get that um

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let's say regardless

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um you know my main intention is

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to make it worth it for you

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so that is my goal and that's what i'm

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as long as everybody can hear everything

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that's the big thing um we got greg in

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all right you guys gotta listen to you

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oughta know

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all right that's my uh youtube chat

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security guard

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oh thanks dutch ufo for real what's up

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jd briscoe i'll give you guys the shout

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out say

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um dutch ufo for real thanks for coming

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alpha 1a aren't you the um

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trivia champ i forgot who was thanks for

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coming

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um great

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there we go sounds good

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jesse peak what's up

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we got josh b in the house priscilla

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no no not me no champion

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okay you didn't win ufo trivia and the

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ufo trivia show i did

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probably is an all-time loser for views

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so i don't think i'm gonna go back to

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but i do like the idea of maybe

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incorporating maybe like

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a trivia thing like one question a day

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so we are going to

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are you guys ready

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mr pope how are you

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oh i can't hear you hey there oh there

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you are

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i gotcha how are you yes good thank you

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good good um yeah so this is a little

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bit different for me

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doing the um the zoom

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to the live stream so any patients

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you can grant would be much appreciated

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no problem no problem yeah so

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we have had a busy time lately haven't

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if you've hit record i can't see the bit

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that says recording which i presume you

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have to do um i did not hit record

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um this is live okay yeah

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sorry we didn't tell you that no well

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all good all right good um

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yes so what are your

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kind of general thoughts of the current

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climate um

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seems like things have been ramping up

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do you think that's because

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there's more incidences well i think

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several things are happening at once i

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think one can say that

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over the last three and a half years

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starting with the new york times

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publishing that landmark article on

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december 16th 2017.

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we've we've had this transition of the

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out of the fringe and into the

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mainstream with the revelations about

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the pentagon's a-tip

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program the u.s navy videos

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and the associated briefings in congress

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so and what's happened over the last

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first of all we had the big cbs 60

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were a wake-up call to a lot of the

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other media who hadn't covered this and

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people were saying wait a minute

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you know we should be across this and

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literally in the last few days the

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report from office of director of

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hit congress and all the things that

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so it's it's been a heck of a ride over

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the number of sightings right which

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variables and it's so difficult to

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so who knows yeah well the reason i

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there was an uptick or something

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uh of sightings so i was just curious in

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you know the last maybe 10 20 years do

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any kind of difference with these things

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whether it be their

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technology or ability to evade or

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anything like that well i think what

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seen i'm not sure that the phenomenon

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has changed but i think what's happened

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is that our ability to track it

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has ramped up through the whole

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range of technologies that we use

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whether it's radar

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ford looking infrared satellites

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and but more than that it's been a

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attitude within the military

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the government the intelligence

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community particularly

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because these sightings were always

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and the data were always there to be had

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um subject to the caveat i mentioned

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about our technology

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through improving recently but what had

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was the will to do anything about it

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and the realization that that was even

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an issue

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because i think previously people were

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just like oh ufos

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they would roll their eyes they would

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think of sci-fi movies

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yeah well some still do but but i think

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important decision makers within

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the intelligence community and and

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within congress

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realize that they have missed a trick

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and that there has been something

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operating in

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our skies and that we now finally have

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the tools

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to track it quite effectively right

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and that's fantastic um yeah i know even

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there was some talk around the time we

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our cameras on the jets

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we know started noticing them more and

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capturing them more

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i'm not sure if that was 2004 or the

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2017 event but

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yeah i think you're it sounds like

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you're exactly right

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and another good example of how we've

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been missing a trick

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and the report to congress does briefly

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touch on this

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is filter programs now obviously for for

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you know a lot of radar operators

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you you generally are interested in or

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you know aircraft so so you're you're

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very

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transponder focused and a lot of

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filter programs exist to

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effectively edit out of the picture to

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declutter it

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right things that are judged not to be

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conventional aircraft

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often because they don't have a

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transponder essentially so

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so and there's a realization that well

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what if some of these things

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obviously aren't carrying transponders

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but heck we need to know about them

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so so i think this there's been a

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realization that's a good example of

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where we've had the tools but where

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the mindset has been very much

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just focused on it can't be so it isn't

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and we've thrown out the baby with the

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bath water

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i like that example um

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let me ask you this how long have you

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when did you start with mod

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or i guess it was yes 1985.

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and i was there for 21 years

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yeah i was there for 21 years as a

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civilian employee but of course i

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i did not do 21 years of ufo work right

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i mean that was

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one posting in that much wider more

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varied

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career i guess what more what i'm asking

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is how long have you been

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paying attention to what's going on with

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the ufo stuff

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uh since 1991 when i was

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assigned that that particular job right

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right so

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from that time onward now officially for

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the ministry of defense that posting

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was 1991 to 1994.

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but i felt afterwards that this subject

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was too interesting and too important to

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walk away from

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and and hence i've continued my

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involvement in a

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private capacity although from time to

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time

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i have been asked to do a you know i

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don't want to start any conspiracy

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theories and it's

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it's just it's very in a sense it's very

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mundane but

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sure but for example ask to come back

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and help publicize

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the declassification and release of the

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uk government's ufo files

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many of which i wrote so well that makes

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sense if you wrote it yeah i came out of

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retirement to do that

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it it does not mean and i've seen this

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on the internet recently

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does not mean that i'm still secretly

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working for the government or the new

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world order

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illuminati

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if you're gonna be in a tag team match

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with hulk hogan nwo

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i'd be all for it but yeah

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um yeah that's that's a while i guess

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what

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when you left mod you said it was kind

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of too

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too fascinating to put it down um

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what really struck you to give you that

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that burn you know that till this day is

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is still going for you

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well a lot of it was um pilot sightings

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radar operator sightings of

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of uncorrelated targets whether it was

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on the

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conventional air defense radar systems

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or

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the the space tracking radars that we

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had at the

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as it was then called the be muse the

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the ballistic missile early warning

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center system you know so um

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raf filing dales in yorkshire

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so when those sorts of people

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report ufos and tell you about

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sightings involving speeds maneuvers

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accelerations that have them

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impressed then it's exactly the same

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situation as we've seen recently with

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these people like

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david fravor and alex dietrich

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you know i i think dave fraver his his

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great comment was something like i don't

403
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know what it was but i want to fly one

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and and so when these elite men and

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women

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these top guns when they get excited

407
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i get excited yeah it it's

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it's crazy how how long

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the same descriptors have really been

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used i mean

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ever since that i've seen the 40s 90

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degree turns

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crazy acceleration um

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that's a long time especially

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to be empty-handed i'm not saying we are

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a government but

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you know if they were to try to pose

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that um that would be kind of

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unbelievable

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wouldn't it sure and i i know

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a lot of people in the ufo community

422
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have been fairly scathing about the

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odni report to congress i

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you know i welcome it as you say yeah

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it's it's a preliminary assessment so

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people shouldn't

427
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shouldn't think this is the the full

428
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yeah

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because it is

430
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yeah and by their own addition they say

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so

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but i think one of the things that was

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interesting i understand why they've

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done it

435
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but this this i do understand the

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frustration

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it's like they've taken a point in time

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very very recently

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and just taken a snapshot of military

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sightings

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effectively editing out the

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the ufo mysteries 80-year

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backstory right right

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now maybe you could correct me if i'm

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wrong here but um i

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did the reports say that they were going

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to use historical data

448
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to try to find like patterns and um

449
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,400
algorithms yes yeah yes it did and that

450
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,880
it's interesting because it ties in with

451
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a recent report

452
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that came out about the chinese

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government

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right and the the media report about the

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chinese government's

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00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:17,520
ufo investigation said that they were

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already

458
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using ai to look for patterns

459
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to do trend analysis and i think

460
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the us is is in danger of

461
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lagging behind in this area not

462
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:34,240
just in relation to uh ufo

463
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,279
research but maybe in the wider sense

464
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:40,080
too so that gave me some encouragement

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that they were going to do that

466
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yeah i i go back to something lou

467
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,320
elizondo said once somebody asked him

468
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um when it really hit him what what this

469
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was when he was working at eight tip

470
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and he said um or what did he think

471
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and he said i think his word excuse my

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language oh [\h__\h]

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you know like um i hope that

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other countries don't already have this

475
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how far ahead are they

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than us you know that sort of thing and

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that's scary

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because seemingly

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we know russia at least has been looking

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at this for a long time

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yes very difficult of course as you know

482
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,039
to untangle

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the situation in russia and china and

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and

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very often with these sorts of things

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sometimes one

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tries to hide a capability one has and

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talk upper capability one doesn't

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have but certainly when you look at

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putin's speeches

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over the last few years he certainly

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dropped into the conversation mention of

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of at least

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i think five or six different weapon

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systems that

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he says has put russia in a preeminent

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position

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in terms of things like hypersonics

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you know so we have to take that but

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obviously at any given time

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the us intelligence community one would

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hope and

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expect while not being infallible

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but has a reasonably good idea

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of where the upper limit of

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russian and chinese capability yeah

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lies with next generation aerospace tech

508
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yeah so you would hope that they would

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be able to take

510
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that assessment of where the ceiling

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is then take the uap data

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and say does it match could it be russia

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and china

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or could it be something else yeah yeah

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and you know that's something we were

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have been looking at the whole time

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too which is funny you know even back

518
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yeah during the cold war or ussr it was

519
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always

520
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keeping an eye on russia for any

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00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,400
technology coming out of it that

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maybe this stuff so it kind of goes to

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show you that

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um no i don't know if you think this but

525
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at times i think

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00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,480
it's just the true um

527
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:10,640
situation with the uaps in our

528
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:11,520
government i

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00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,200
i feel like they honestly just haven't

530
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,000
been able to figure it out and that

531
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could be why they haven't said anything

532
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,799
i i agree i don't think there's

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literally

534
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,760
as some believe a spaceship sitting in a

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00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:27,039
hangar somewhere

536
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,159
but i think there is this dawning

537
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,720
realization

538
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:33,120
now within the system that there is a

539
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:34,159
real

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00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,320
core phenomenon here maybe with multiple

541
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,880
explanations i mean i i think you know

542
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:42,799
we we should get away from this idea

543
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,440
and the report to congress says this we

544
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,279
should get away from the idea that

545
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:49,919
there's a single neat solution oh it's

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00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:50,559
russia

547
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:53,600
it's china it's weather phenomena of

548
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,240
some

549
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,720
sort i mean no i think the report makes

550
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:58,159
yeah the report makes it clear we're

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00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:58,799
dealing with

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00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,320
probably a range of explanations some

553
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,480
conventional some not but the things

554
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:06,240
that caught my eye in the report for

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00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,520
example were the

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00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,000
thing where it said a handful of cases

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00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:11,679
do and i'm paraphrasing

558
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:15,200
but a handful of cases do suggest

559
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:18,159
advanced technology and it specifically

560
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:18,559
then

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00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,159
referenced radio frequency energy and

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00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,799
signature management right so for for

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00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,760
those

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00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,520
people wanting to follow the breadcrumbs

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00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:29,039
i think those are the the

566
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:32,480
two phrases that should really

567
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:36,159
catch their eye and i think the

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00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,399
the well national reconnaissance office

569
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:42,000
they would probably have a lot of this

570
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,440
information don't you think

571
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,440
because they were putting the satellites

572
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,960
up in this guy

573
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:48,399
you would think they have some pictures

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00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:50,720
of that and signature data one

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00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:54,320
one would hope so and and then um

576
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:58,000
uh the the national

577
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,520
geospatial intelligence um

578
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,640
agencies in the name you know so and and

579
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:06,480
that of course is one of the problems

580
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:06,960
that the

581
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:10,080
uap task force has had

582
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,600
they've had to try and get inside

583
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:16,159
each part of the u.s intelligence

584
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:17,360
community

585
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:22,000
find out who has active programs

586
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:25,600
on this who has historical

587
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:29,360
programs and data files

588
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:33,039
information on this and find and just

589
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:36,960
going in to all uh whatever it is now 17

590
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:40,399
parts or or whatever finding

591
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:43,760
the right person or people to talk to

592
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,679
convincing them that you've got the

593
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,520
correct even though you're doing this

594
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:49,039
for dni

595
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,880
that you've got the correct clearances

596
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:56,149
yeah we're here with dna mm-hmm sure

597
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:56,640
sure

598
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:00,799
well then have him do it okay

599
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,919
yeah he'll do it and and then then of

600
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,640
course that

601
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,320
doesn't take account of the fact that a

602
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,320
lot of this is

603
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,559
probably out in the private sector to

604
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,880
take it further outside

605
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,200
scrutiny from say the intelligence

606
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,679
committees the armed services committees

607
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:20,320
um outside the scope of freedom of

608
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,279
information act

609
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,000
right well like yeah that's uh bringing

610
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,240
it back just a little bit the nro they

611
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,720
i well i don't know if it's the

612
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,480
documents i read were kind of old

613
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:32,720
but um they were contracting out

614
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:33,679
everything

615
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:36,240
so that's a that's a lot of different

616
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:36,720
people

617
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,840
and you know yeah we did the same

618
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,520
in in the ministry of defense with a lot

619
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:42,880
of our most

620
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,840
highly classified and often sometimes

621
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:46,640
politically

622
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,000
sensitive studies so

623
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,279
certainly one one study into ufos uh but

624
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:55,279
another one into remote viewing

625
00:31:03,590 --> 00:30:58,799
were done through a

626
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:03,600
private defense corporation contractor

627
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:06,880
and and yeah it's just to give a little

628
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:09,519
not so much plausible deniability

629
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,000
because

630
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:12,399
it it was still our contract but a

631
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:13,279
little bit of

632
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,159
distance so that you could you could say

633
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,000
well you know maybe the contractor went

634
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,480
down a rabbit hole or something

635
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:22,799
yeah i used to sell commercial roofs so

636
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:23,519
it's like that

637
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:26,240
yeah if you hire a subcontractor and

638
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:27,120
they screw it up

639
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:30,840
well they'll they're paying for that

640
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:34,000
yeah um let's see

641
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:41,350
if you just really dug in your gut

642
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:44,880
use your instinct or intuition do you

643
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,240
think we are on the cusp

644
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:51,039
of disclosure and when i say disclosure

645
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,399
i don't mean like you know

646
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,640
on the white house lawn and all that i

647
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:56,880
just more mean a confirmation of

648
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:00,159
another intelligent life whether it be

649
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,440
interdimensional or outer space

650
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,440
i think we're getting there and i agree

651
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:07,360
with you i don't think it will be the

652
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:08,399
sort of big

653
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,600
single event that

654
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,600
that you mention and that people think

655
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,360
about when when they talk about

656
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,120
disclosure so

657
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:19,200
no my fellow americans people of the

658
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:20,640
world we're not alone

659
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:25,440
but but more disclosure as a process

660
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,960
as opposed to a a single event

661
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,960
and we're we're living that process

662
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:32,480
right now and

663
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:35,519
part of it yeah part of it is is

664
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:38,799
atip and the navy videos and and the

665
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,399
odni report part of it is people like

666
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,559
lou alexander and chris mellon and

667
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,279
and others with the background in this

668
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:49,120
increasingly speaking on

669
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,039
on the record and part of it as well

670
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:55,120
is when you listen to some of the

671
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,159
interviews that

672
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:59,360
people are doing like for example former

673
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:02,080
president barack obama former dna john

674
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,279
ratcliffe

675
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,399
um obama that's a huge one i i feel like

676
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:07,919
that totally

677
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,919
i mean for the most part just went over

678
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:11,200
everyone's head

679
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:14,320
yeah because presidents including obama

680
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,440
have discussed this before but

681
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:19,600
on it tends to have been on shows like

682
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,480
jimmy kimmel

683
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:23,120
where they play it for laughs right and

684
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:23,600
and

685
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,320
obama was absolutely dead straight with

686
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,840
this and basically said yeah

687
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,200
there are things in our skies and we

688
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:31,039
can't explain them yeah and he

689
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:32,559
was like wait a minute dude to say he

690
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:35,760
was being serious i'm being serious now

691
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,799
that's pretty so yeah and part of it of

692
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,080
course is coming from the

693
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,279
scientific community maybe at first

694
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,320
from people who are regarded as a little

695
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:48,000
bit of a maverick so people like

696
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,600
avi loeb talking about a muammar but

697
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,679
you know if you once once you have

698
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,360
harvard professors talking about all

699
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:57,519
this it does give it a sort of

700
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,919
respectability so all of these things

701
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,720
happening

702
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,360
as a process and one day we'll just wake

703
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:04,799
up and realize that it's

704
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:08,000
done and dusted without us quite knowing

705
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:10,000
how we got there and it as i say it

706
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:11,599
won't be a single thing

707
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,040
that pushed it over the line but

708
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:14,879
there'll just be a realization that yeah

709
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,440
okay

710
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:17,359
that's probably the world we live in

711
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:18,639
yeah uh

712
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,599
yeah and yeah so if more pilots come out

713
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,800
with their experiences

714
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,079
they'll probably feel a little more

715
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,639
emboldened i mean in the report they

716
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,760
said a lot of

717
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,240
uh the frustration is with the stigma

718
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,159
that still exists

719
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,960
um which actually now that i say it that

720
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:35,919
made me very

721
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:38,480
happy to see that in the preliminary

722
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,280
report

723
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:41,599
how they discussed the stigma aspect of

724
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:42,480
it

725
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,639
um because first of all

726
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:48,560
there is there's just no compassion for

727
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,440
the people that go through this stuff

728
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:53,839
i mean diedrich for instance i don't

729
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,359
even think they were

730
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,320
armed you know and they go out there

731
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,520
after this stuff that

732
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:01,520
is completely bizarre that we think is

733
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:04,960
bizarre just by listening to it

734
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:08,560
she was there um

735
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,839
you know and there's still a possibility

736
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,119
of stigma

737
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,280
i mean to me that's just incredible so i

738
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,880
was very happy that that was in the

739
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:18,640
report do you think that will set a

740
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:19,440
precedence

741
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:27,030
i think so and i hope so and of course

742
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:27,839
the u.s

743
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,599
navy issued guidance to its pilots

744
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,599
um over a year ago now right telling

745
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:35,680
them that that they should be reporting

746
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:38,079
these things now they refused to

747
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:39,599
disclose

748
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:42,480
exactly what that guidance said saying

749
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,839
that it was classified

750
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:45,520
which which is interesting because in

751
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:48,320
one sense if you think back to something

752
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,440
a public facing ufo program like

753
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:53,359
project blue book or like the one i ran

754
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,480
at the mod

755
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:57,040
um there would be nothing wrong and

756
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,720
indeed the all the

757
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,880
forms that we use to record the

758
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:02,000
sightings that's

759
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,119
all in the public domain right and

760
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,440
and and rightly so because because we

761
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,200
wanted the reports it's not

762
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,320
just from our own people and and

763
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,480
military pilots commercial airline

764
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,400
pilots but we wanted reports

765
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:19,200
from everyone because because you know

766
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,400
you can never know

767
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:23,200
from where an interesting piece of data

768
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:23,680
is

769
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:27,599
only come from the military

770
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,200
is is i think wrong-headed so yeah um

771
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,040
so that's interesting but yes going back

772
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:35,440
to your your question

773
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:39,200
um i do think that building on the

774
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,000
navy's

775
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:43,119
guidance to its own people and building

776
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:44,400
on the preliminary

777
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:49,040
assessment from odni to congress

778
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:52,160
we will have set up a more robust

779
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:53,440
reporting system

780
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:56,880
where reports will not only be

781
00:37:01,270 --> 00:37:00,000
not stigmatized but actively encouraged

782
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,280
the chain of command

783
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,880
and this is this is for the chain of

784
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,119
command to take ownership

785
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:07,599
of and if there is still reluctance the

786
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,720
chain of command

787
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,440
must push the message look no we're not

788
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:12,640
kidding people

789
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,000
um you see something you say something

790
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,880
to coin a phrase yeah definitely if

791
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,560
you're a boss you gotta you gotta set

792
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:22,160
the tone right right

793
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:31,190
are you gonna keep helping us until we

794
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:32,240
cross the finish line

795
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:35,680
mr pope well you know i'll

796
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:39,440
i don't know exactly

797
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,119
what my role in all of this will be but

798
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:44,960
if it's if recent experience

799
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:48,480
is anything to go by i do enjoy a

800
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:51,920
fairly considerable mainstream media

801
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:55,599
presence and i will continue to use that

802
00:38:02,829 --> 00:37:59,040
presence in the media to keep this

803
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:02,839
issue in the public eye to

804
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,320
keep pushing the message that this is a

805
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:08,480
serious defense and national security

806
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:09,520
issue

807
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:12,720
and to to do what i can

808
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,920
to to inform and educate

809
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:18,160
when it comes to this topic and

810
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:19,440
particularly

811
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,200
hopefully to do what some of the other

812
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:25,200
people that that are currently in the

813
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:26,800
public eye on this are doing

814
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,920
to use our government backgrounds to

815
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:31,119
give people

816
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:34,720
a sort of insider's perspective so that

817
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:38,480
that even if it's an unrelated ufo story

818
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,079
people like me can can contextualize it

819
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,640
for folks so yeah absolutely i will

820
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:45,760
continue

821
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,960
to do that and and yeah we need you

822
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:50,480
absolutely

823
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:54,000
we need you uh yeah uh this is

824
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,040
pretty cool for me i gotta say um

825
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,240
uh my dad likes you i like yeah you know

826
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,400
and when you first kind of dabble into

827
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,599
this stuff

828
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:05,520
you're one of the faces that you run

829
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:06,800
into you know

830
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,920
um so that

831
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:12,000
you know first chance to make an

832
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:13,440
impression

833
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,119
uh that that you give people in that way

834
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,160
you do a great job of it because

835
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,200
it's very welcoming and people need that

836
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:26,160
to feel okay to dig a little deeper you

837
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,119
know

838
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,440
um so i appreciate that and even though

839
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:31,680
you may not see what your role is

840
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:34,400
like it doesn't have to be defined it

841
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:35,359
can be

842
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,240
you know um the great things that happen

843
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:39,839
from the actions that you take

844
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,510
well yeah yes no i i mean my yeah i

845
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,760
don't want anyone to assume that

846
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:52,320
i'm still working for the government and

847
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,200
of course my

848
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:56,640
direct experience of this is now

849
00:40:02,790 --> 00:39:59,760
quite quite old and and

850
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:02,800
so so people like lou have much more

851
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:03,839
recent

852
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,119
experience of this than i do

853
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,079
but hopefully i can still bring

854
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:12,079
something to the table and

855
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,280
and yeah as as long as i

856
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,119
continue to have those opportunities i

857
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:19,119
will i will take them and continue to do

858
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:19,760
what i

859
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:22,880
do yeah um that is great can i

860
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:26,050
can i ask you some juicy stuff now

861
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:27,520
[Laughter]

862
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,040
fire away all right um also

863
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,880
audience if you have like a quick

864
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:34,240
question that's not

865
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,240
really you know um in depth

866
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:40,480
let me know and i can shoot them off

867
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:41,280
adam

868
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:44,800
um first one is have you

869
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,000
ever seen a craft

870
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,480
that was unidentified to you and i don't

871
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:52,400
mean like walking and whoa what is that

872
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:52,960
but

873
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,319
in your job um i've

874
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,640
i've seen photos and videos but i have

875
00:41:04,390 --> 00:40:59,920
never personally

876
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,400
had a a sighting sadly yesterday

877
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,880
huh perhaps my time will come yeah

878
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:08,319
perhaps it will

879
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,599
um have you

880
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:13,200
are those videos and things that you've

881
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:14,880
seen are they

882
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:19,359
um convincing in any manner to you

883
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:22,480
well they they're not a smoking gun in

884
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:23,359
terms of

885
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:26,400
that must be can only be

886
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:29,599
an extraterrestrial spacecraft but

887
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:33,119
it is a sense of wow

888
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,880
what the heck is that right yeah

889
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:39,119
um if you could fly in one of those

890
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,319
would you

891
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,720
yes absolutely all right just gotta make

892
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,640
sure

893
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:47,280
um only if i can have a go at the

894
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,060
controls

895
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,480
[Laughter]

896
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,319
yeah i don't know i can't even imagine

897
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:54,000
what those would be like as sometimes

898
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:55,280
they just move so

899
00:42:02,950 --> 00:41:59,680
crazy that you would think it's

900
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:02,960
you know controlled by thought almost

901
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:08,079
well who knows yes yeah who knows um

902
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,400
have you ever heard a rumor

903
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:14,960
about someone in the english government

904
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:15,440
seeing

905
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:25,750
well there there was certainly um

906
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:29,839
an occasion where the then home

907
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:32,960
so very senior government

908
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:35,599
figure in the the cabinet there was a

909
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:36,240
story

910
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:39,599
that a ufo was seen directly over his

911
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:43,599
house and and i think there's still

912
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,640
there's still a controversy about

913
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,680
what if anything he personally

914
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:52,319
saw and if so what he took away from

915
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:53,040
that

916
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,560
experience but yeah michael howard is

917
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,480
and there's some material about that out

918
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,160
on on the internet

919
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:02,240
yeah it's kind of the case uh with a lot

920
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:03,520
of these sightings

921
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:07,520
you know what was exactly right what

922
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:08,160
wasn't

923
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,599
what was maybe you know fabricated even

924
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,960
not on purpose

925
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,880
you know trolls we've all had memories

926
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:16,720
that

927
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,240
i think we skew a little bit but

928
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:23,359
not necessarily on purpose does that

929
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:24,319
make sense

930
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:27,680
i absolutely yes and any cop

931
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,960
will will tell you that you know if

932
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:33,200
if a whole bunch of people see for

933
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:34,160
example a

934
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:37,280
car accident and then they take the

935
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,920
accounts

936
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,520
everyone will have a slightly different

937
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,839
story i mean yeah it's memory it's

938
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:43,119
perception

939
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:46,319
it's it's human variation which there's

940
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,440
a lot

941
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:50,240
um all right we got some questions here

942
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,520
for you

943
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,440
um we'll start with the bottom and go to

944
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:55,040
the top how

945
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:58,079
does okay

946
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,760
what do you think about contact with

947
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:01,280
these

948
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:04,720
um is it possible or

949
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,079
maybe a better question is should we

950
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:11,280
yes well it would resolve

951
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,640
the mystery i guess and and

952
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,880
show us what we're dealing with so

953
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:17,760
absolutely

954
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:20,839
bring it on bring it on i like it

955
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,390
if the craft are controlled by computers

956
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,240
it would explain their actions

957
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:32,319
uh nick pope can you speak to any

958
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:33,680
vetting you've done on lou

959
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,240
elizondo with greer's recent claims

960
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:40,560
well this is an interesting one but i

961
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:41,599
mean

962
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:45,040
you know in a sense i i've been accused

963
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,079
of being a part of this myself now for

964
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,400
i you may well know this but for anyone

965
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,160
watching who doesn't the

966
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:54,720
the central accusation from dr stephen

967
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:55,520
greer

968
00:45:02,950 --> 00:44:58,720
is that people like uh

969
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:02,960
myself chris mellon lou elizondo

970
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:07,359
jeremy corbell george knapp leslie kane

971
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:10,160
and and maybe a few others but people

972
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:11,040
either with

973
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:14,720
direct or indirect ties to

974
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:17,440
government and and the intelligence

975
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:18,319
community

976
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:23,359
um the accusation is that we are still

977
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,240
part of you know a program that we are

978
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:28,160
still working for the government

979
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:30,960
and or some sort of shadowy but there's

980
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,440
no illuminati

981
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:36,560
right and so the the

982
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:39,760
no the and and the accusation is

983
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,280
that we are deliberately pushing

984
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,520
the threat narrative in the mainstream

985
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:47,119
media

986
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:50,480
possibly as

987
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,839
a prelude to a false flag

988
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,920
alien invasion right let's just i mean

989
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:57,599
this is super

990
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:01,760
super easy um are these

991
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:05,119
um a direct threat

992
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:08,319
yes no or maybe maybe and beautiful and

993
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:09,440
this is exactly this is

994
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:12,400
right well this is this is exactly what

995
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:12,960
i

996
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:40,000
whether there's a threat or not

997
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:43,280
and in those circumstances

998
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,400
it's best to assume a threat and be

999
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,400
relieved if it doesn't materialize

1000
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:51,040
than the other way around in other words

1001
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,079
hope for the best

1002
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:54,640
prepare for the worst but but people

1003
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,280
like

1004
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,599
lou and chris and myself are then when

1005
00:47:02,550 --> 00:46:59,200
we point that out

1006
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:02,560
and it's it's not an opinion it's

1007
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,079
just a simple truism about the way in

1008
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,319
which government and military view this

1009
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,079
which is the way that they view lots of

1010
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:11,839
things so

1011
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:14,480
when we point this out some people in

1012
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:15,040
the

1013
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,040
fear-mongering and war-mongering

1014
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:27,040
so that's what that's what that's all

1015
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:28,079
about and

1016
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:31,119
you know you think to yourself um you

1017
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:31,440
know

1018
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:34,319
just that video i saw 10 years ago of

1019
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:34,800
you

1020
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:38,640
and promote

1021
00:47:42,350 --> 00:47:41,359
um a fake alien invasion it's like man

1022
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,360
are you slow

1023
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:45,440
[Laughter]

1024
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:49,760
just speed it up we did 10 20 years for

1025
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:50,079
this

1026
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,750
um let's see if i got anything else here

1027
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,880
for you

1028
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:01,119
i got a question i don't understand but

1029
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:02,079
it's from

1030
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:05,520
from somebody who uh comes around here a

1031
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:07,119
lot and don't understand because i'm i'm

1032
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,160
not familiar with

1033
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:11,200
some of the stuff are you familiar with

1034
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:12,160
the netted

1035
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:15,520
emulation of multi-element signature

1036
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,200
against integrated sensors or nemesis

1037
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:21,920
does that make sense yeah it does not

1038
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:22,960
i'm afraid

1039
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:25,440
when i was doing this at the end of me

1040
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,160
no

1041
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:28,240
i mean if when when we had something

1042
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:29,520
that yeah i

1043
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,079
with apologies i don't understand the

1044
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:34,079
question when did when i got

1045
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:37,839
something i would be significant

1046
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,119
technical

1047
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,000
yeah expert i was just a bossy

1048
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,920
investigations guy

1049
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,839
yeah so maybe a question for somebody

1050
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:47,760
else

1051
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:57,270
are you do you believe in god

1052
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:00,800
i do not you do not i'm i am an atheist

1053
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:03,920
so atheist yes which

1054
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,400
which is interesting because of course

1055
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,559
it it

1056
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,880
raises the question and lose talked

1057
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:12,160
about this

1058
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,160
that that there's a faction

1059
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:19,200
in in the pentagon but there were people

1060
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,160
in the uk

1061
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,480
who thought like this too who believed

1062
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:24,400
that the phenomenon was demonic

1063
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,160
right and one of the things that they

1064
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,800
cited was a passage in the bible in in

1065
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,400
the book of ephesians

1066
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,480
where it describes satan as being the

1067
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:36,720
prince of the power of the air

1068
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,599
and they've seized upon that and then

1069
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:41,359
they've taken the view well

1070
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:44,480
it's demonic and therefore it says

1071
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:47,599
you shouldn't be studying it because it

1072
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,720
somehow feeds it gives it energy so as

1073
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:53,040
as an atheist this was frustrating to me

1074
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:54,640
because my view was

1075
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:58,559
look i can understand skepticism about

1076
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,079
this rooted in

1077
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:04,640
hard-nosed science if somebody says look

1078
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,280
you know

1079
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,119
i don't believe that it's possible to

1080
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:08,800
break the light speed barrier therefore

1081
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,680
they can't

1082
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,839
get here from there well you can sit

1083
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:12,880
down and you can have a reasonable

1084
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,680
conversation

1085
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:15,839
with someone about that you can debate

1086
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:16,800
things like

1087
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:19,520
wormholes and walk drive and and sub

1088
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:20,720
light

1089
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:23,920
travel with unmanned probes so

1090
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,200
that's fine but if someone if if what

1091
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:29,359
you're coming up against when you want

1092
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,079
to do more

1093
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:32,960
research and investigation is a sort of

1094
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:33,839
fundamental

1095
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:36,880
religiosity then to me as an atheist

1096
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,440
particularly that was frustrating yeah

1097
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:41,680
do you think there's a way to ever uh

1098
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:44,880
marry um at least um

1099
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:47,599
spirituality or faith not so much

1100
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:48,400
religion

1101
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,440
in science well i don't know i i

1102
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,599
i know that your question said

1103
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,680
spirituality and not religion but in a

1104
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:57,920
sense

1105
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,559
if if i had a dollar for every time i'd

1106
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:01,760
heard someone say well i'm not

1107
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:04,480
religious but i i am spiritual yeah so i

1108
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,040
think it

1109
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,800
it the two segue into each other

1110
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,359
and i think one can say that the

1111
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,160
conflict between science and religion

1112
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:16,400
has been going on for hundreds of years

1113
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,200
and

1114
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,400
i doubt that it will end tomorrow

1115
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:22,720
so if there's like a basketball game and

1116
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,520
one team

1117
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,680
is science and the other is religion

1118
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:27,920
you're playing for the science team

1119
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:31,280
i'm playing for the science team fair

1120
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:32,160
play

1121
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:37,520
because for example the catholic church

1122
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:38,480
in recent years

1123
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:41,760
has said some very encouraging and

1124
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:45,040
thoughtful things about extraterrestrial

1125
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:45,599
life

1126
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:48,400
and have even said that there's there's

1127
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:48,720
no

1128
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:52,000
doctrinal objection to the existence of

1129
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,440
extraterrestrial life

1130
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,200
and the reason that they gave which

1131
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:57,760
makes perfect sense if you're religious

1132
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:00,800
because we yeah we

1133
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:03,839
human beings can place no creative

1134
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:04,400
limits

1135
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,480
upon god yeah how could you

1136
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:10,559
yeah especially unless you know how to

1137
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,599
make yourself

1138
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,280
i don't think you can really start to

1139
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,280
try and figure that out

1140
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,800
yeah um well we let let me check for a

1141
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:19,920
couple more questions

1142
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,440
um it's we've been 52 minutes into this

1143
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,520
it's been great um do you have a hard

1144
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:27,200
stop

1145
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:30,400
like an hour yeah let's let's take it to

1146
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:30,880
the

1147
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,160
perfect

1148
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:37,280
um man

1149
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,079
everybody is so let me just say this

1150
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:44,319
i don't think it helps us and you

1151
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:45,520
probably agree with this i'm just

1152
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:46,800
looking at comments

1153
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:49,280
i don't know that it helps us to dig in

1154
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:49,920
deep

1155
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,040
to another person's flaws like grier

1156
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:55,680
and ask people to comment on it so as

1157
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:56,079
such

1158
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,920
to cause more conflict is that right do

1159
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,200
you agree with that yeah i

1160
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:04,559
i take the point but look um

1161
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:07,839
and i've sat down and you know had

1162
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:11,280
had conversations with with

1163
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:14,800
steven greer about this phenomenon and

1164
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:15,440
things we

1165
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:18,160
we've not sat down and discussed this

1166
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,359
particular

1167
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:22,000
conflict grisha recently but look it's

1168
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:23,359
not

1169
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:27,440
i it's i don't think we can censor

1170
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:30,559
this and if if we've got some some

1171
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:32,000
unpleasantness

1172
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:35,359
to deal with let's get it out there

1173
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:38,720
and and the the other thing is

1174
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,920
he was the one who made the comment so

1175
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:44,000
you can't put the toothpaste back in the

1176
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:44,720
tube

1177
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:47,920
his his viewpoint is out there

1178
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:51,920
and certainly my my rebuttal of that

1179
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,040
um to you just now but

1180
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:57,119
but i've been asked about it before my

1181
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,319
my rebuttal

1182
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,559
is is out there people know my position

1183
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,640
on this i don't think we can pretend

1184
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:03,920
i don't think we can pretend the

1185
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:06,079
disagreement isn't there

1186
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:09,359
and i don't think any of us can

1187
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:13,040
or should police who

1188
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,240
discusses what in in this field i

1189
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:19,200
i take a very libertarian view on on

1190
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:19,520
this

1191
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,920
nothing's nothing's off the table it's

1192
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:23,359
just when people start

1193
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:26,800
forcing things at you as far as i'm

1194
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,800
look even though i strongly refute the

1195
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:31,760
allegation

1196
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,119
i'm certainly not going to

1197
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:38,240
turn that into a personal

1198
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:41,920
attack right on dr greer he's entitled

1199
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:42,559
to his

1200
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:45,280
his view and i'm sure he genuinely and

1201
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,960
sincerely holds that view i

1202
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,119
i think he's wrong but good luck to him

1203
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:51,280
yeah well i'm not worried about it

1204
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:54,160
it's it's kind of um one of those things

1205
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:54,960
where

1206
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:57,040
if you can't tell the difference between

1207
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,000
his

1208
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:01,440
um promotion email in your gmail box

1209
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:04,559
and the one from guitar center um

1210
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:13,349
so that's all i'll say about that but um

1211
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:16,000
do you do you think any other scientists

1212
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,280
are gonna

1213
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:19,599
like it seems like mainstream scientists

1214
00:55:24,670 --> 00:55:22,160
or such like elon musk and

1215
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,680
uh neil degrasse tyson um

1216
00:55:27,310 --> 00:55:26,000
[Music]

1217
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:27,320
why are they so

1218
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:29,440
[Music]

1219
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,400
i would say beyond hesitant it's it's

1220
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,000
almost um

1221
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:36,640
straight up resistance more so tyson

1222
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,359
than musk

1223
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:40,480
but do you think if not them other

1224
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,440
scientists

1225
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:44,160
like them are up to their level we'll

1226
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:44,960
we'll start

1227
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,000
studying it in the public well

1228
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,040
one one example of i and

1229
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,760
we talked about avi loeb right of course

1230
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:56,400
earlier but uh another great example

1231
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:59,520
possibly the finest scientific mind on

1232
00:56:03,030 --> 00:55:59,839
the

1233
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,040
kaku

1234
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:06,079
and and

1235
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:09,520
you know michio has been

1236
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:12,559
very struck by these

1237
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:16,160
these navy videos and and the associated

1238
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:19,760
backstory and and i think has has made

1239
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:20,480
some

1240
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:23,760
very helpful and

1241
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:27,280
remarks about all this and and hopefully

1242
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,400
others will

1243
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:31,920
follow him in um we we had a

1244
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:36,319
i did a live three-hour special

1245
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:39,599
on which was simulcast on

1246
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,549
we had an astrophysicist yeah we had an

1247
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:48,160
astrophysicist on there dr

1248
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:51,760
o who who talked talked about

1249
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,880
uh this there there are other

1250
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,720
scientists beginning to come forward and

1251
00:57:03,109 --> 00:56:58,640
speak out and say at least

1252
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:03,119
look we need to study this right as

1253
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:05,839
you know using a scientific methodology

1254
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,480
which

1255
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,200
of course with some of this has

1256
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:11,680
difficulties in terms of repeatability

1257
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:12,319
but

1258
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:18,079
are eyewitness accounts whether they're

1259
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:19,839
radar tapes whether they're

1260
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,000
forward-looking infrared camera videos

1261
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,000
whether it's satellite data

1262
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:26,799
so we have a lot of data yeah and you

1263
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,680
can always look at that in

1264
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:32,000
through a scientific lens at some point

1265
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:32,880
and so yeah

1266
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:35,680
we we will absolutely see more

1267
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:36,960
scientists

1268
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,160
stepping up speaking out

1269
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:42,799
getting involved yeah and once that

1270
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:43,440
happens

1271
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:46,880
um the government's going to be pressed

1272
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,839
to

1273
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,440
maybe talk a little more because these

1274
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,960
are smart people and they're

1275
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:53,119
investigating this stuff so

1276
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,319
and they're going to tell us what they

1277
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:57,040
find so mr government you may want to uh

1278
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,870
so that's exciting man we got 60 people

1279
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,960
here watching us live i got to say

1280
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:07,520
um that's the most ever for me so thank

1281
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:09,040
you

1282
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:12,160
no problem um

1283
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:16,000
i have lou elizondo on later today

1284
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:19,040
um oh well tell him hi from me i've i

1285
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:19,920
was just gonna say

1286
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:23,119
it's been a while since we've

1287
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:27,040
spoken but of course uh it's it's just

1288
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:30,640
he's been tied up in a media

1289
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,280
firestorm i've been tied up in a media

1290
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:35,119
firestorm and we've probably

1291
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:37,599
yeah but uh i think i'm going to be

1292
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:38,640
seeing him at

1293
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:43,119
at um one of the one of the upcoming

1294
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:47,520
in-person ufo yes conferences

1295
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:50,799
coming back yeah i think yeah

1296
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,960
where is that one do you know uh well

1297
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:54,400
there's two coming up

1298
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:57,040
and i'm not sure which we've got the the

1299
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:58,240
mufon

1300
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:01,280
symposium okay instead of move and field

1301
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:04,319
yeah that's that's las vegas

1302
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:07,599
i think the last weekend of august

1303
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:10,960
then of course the people

1304
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:14,319
at international ufo congress and their

1305
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:15,200
new

1306
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:18,400
downtown phoenix um

1307
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,720
and that's september so but all the

1308
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:22,480
details will be on the

1309
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,839
sure the website and i know that um

1310
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,760
lou is going to be at one of those so if

1311
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:30,240
i don't see him in a tv studio before

1312
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:34,160
i will see him at one of those whichever

1313
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:37,280
one it is that he and i are on at and uh

1314
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:38,640
yeah but tell them

1315
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:42,240
tell him hello and uh that i i think

1316
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:45,280
that he's continuing to do a tremendous

1317
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:46,480
job and of course

1318
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,280
you know weathering quite a storm of of

1319
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:50,880
criticism

1320
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,119
himself but he's he's responding i think

1321
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,760
as as you would expect with honor and

1322
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,280
integrity as he always does

1323
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:01,920
yeah um well i will leave you with this

1324
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:04,160
thank you so much for everything you do

1325
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:06,480
thank you for everything you have done

1326
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,200
um

1327
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:09,760
it's you know without people like

1328
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:10,640
yourself

1329
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,680
and and lou we would be out here

1330
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:15,599
on our own trying to figure stuff out

1331
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:16,720
and and

1332
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:19,520
not that we couldn't but the help is is

1333
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,319
really needed

1334
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:22,559
and i think i speak for everyone when i

1335
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:23,440
say thank you

1336
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,640
so with that being said um

1337
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:29,040
hopefully we get to see you again uh

1338
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,839
down the road

1339
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:32,079
don't be a stranger and don't lose all

1340
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:33,520
your money in vegas

1341
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,240
i will try not to what uh happens in

1342
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,920
vegas stays in vegas

1343
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:40,160
but um hopefully my money comes back

1344
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:41,599
with me

1345
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,280
all right fair enough i appreciate it

1346
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,520
okay well nice to talk to you and have a

1347
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:49,440
great rest of the day and thank you

1348
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:50,720
everyone else who was

1349
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:53,200
listening in and watching live all right

1350
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:55,040
thank you nick i appreciate it

1351
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:07,510
all right um that was a lot of fun huh

1352
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,510
how's everybody doing uh i hope you

1353
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:11,680
enjoyed that um that was my conversation

1354
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:12,799
with mr nick

1355
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,319
pope um i do try to ask

1356
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:19,200
you know um pre-thought out questions

1357
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:20,400
but

1358
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:22,880
if the conversation is going in a

1359
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,160
certain direction

1360
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:27,040
and you know there's a just a flow

1361
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:27,839
happening

1362
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:30,960
or whatever i'm bound to take that

1363
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:32,480
versus going to the script

1364
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:36,880
the scripted stuff um in questions so

1365
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:40,000
and you know so you may not hear

1366
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,079
the exact thing that you want answered

1367
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,720
but i do try to put a lot into the

1368
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:46,880
organicness of the conversation

1369
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:50,160
um and be that as it may i i do think

1370
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:50,480
that

1371
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:53,520
these turn out pretty great so um

1372
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:58,000
yeah mr pope is awesome super nice guy

1373
01:02:01,589 --> 01:02:00,079
um really a pleasure to talk to him

1374
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:01,599
after seeing him on tv

1375
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:04,880
too so that's that's a trip

1376
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:07,440
please share and like and subscribe my

1377
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:08,799
youtube channel

1378
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,160
um i need that kind of help so um i can

1379
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:14,559
keep having nick popeson and luella

1380
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:15,760
sandoz

1381
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:20,960
um i'd still do it without him

1382
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:24,079
but it's uh more exciting if we go

1383
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:27,359
up with the subs so please help me out

1384
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,000
and sub

1385
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:30,000
subscribe and share i'm on twitter at

1386
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:31,359
witness citizen

1387
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,000
um tick tock instagram although i don't

1388
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:35,920
use those as much

1389
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:40,000
but i am on there later today at 4

1390
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:44,160
p.m central standard

1391
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:47,760
time i have

1392
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:51,200
lou elizondo and that is gonna be

1393
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:52,079
awesome

1394
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:55,039
i really am looking forward to that um i

1395
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:56,559
actually wrote a song

1396
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:59,359
for him a while ago now called in the

1397
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:01,119
middle of wyoming

1398
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:03,839
that got kind of popular for a little

1399
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:05,839
bit well you know

1400
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:09,760
not popular but within my subset of

1401
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:12,799
friends in this community and lou

1402
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:14,240
retweeted it and said thanks and

1403
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:15,680
everything so it was this really cool

1404
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:16,480
thing

1405
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:19,280
um so now i'm here interviewing him but

1406
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:20,960
um don't get me wrong it's not going to

1407
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:21,839
be just a

1408
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:24,799
fan fest so i'm going to take it

1409
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:26,799
seriously like i would anyone else

1410
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:30,400
so please join me four o'clock

1411
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:34,160
central standard time 5 pm eastern um

1412
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:37,440
the episode right now is

1413
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:40,559
you know on my youtube so i will

1414
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:44,720
check you out there

1415
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:49,200
and please don't be shy

1416
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:52,799
um you know

1417
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:54,880
comments are great i love the comments

1418
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:56,240
find me on twitter

1419
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:00,000
comment there um any of that fun stuff

1420
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:03,280
so i'm glad i am so glad that it worked

1421
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:03,760
out

1422
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:06,880
i was so afraid of you guys um

1423
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:13,039
saying we can't we can't hear them

1424
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,359
oh man that was that was like i was

1425
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:17,599
super freaked out

1426
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:20,559
i'm glad i am super glad i started early

1427
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:22,160
so you guys could help me uh

1428
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:24,319
test that stuff because we figured it

1429
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,760
out together i couldn't have did that

1430
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:27,520
without you guys so

1431
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:30,960
um thanks for that

1432
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:33,440
um yeah so i'm gonna go i don't know

1433
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:36,480
probably take a nap or something

1434
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:39,599
watch some more uh elizondo stuff

1435
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:41,839
and just get myself ready and prepared

1436
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:44,160
and in the moment for this

1437
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:47,200
um yeah so i will see you then i hope to

1438
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:48,480
see then

1439
01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:10,390
i'm witness citizen